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Nazi and Communist Imagery

Some of the Euro MEP's have proposed banning Communist symbols, such as the hammer and sickle, as well as Nazi symbols claiming it's only fair to ban both if one were to be banned because of the suffering caused under the Communist regimes in many of the member nations countries.

This has made me think as I really don't want to see communist imagery banned (to be honest I don't think it's right to place an outright ban on Nazi imagery either) but both systems caused many thousands of deaths and bad conditions for many who lived under them. I do view the Nazi's in a very different light though and I guess this is hypocrisy on my part, and on many others.

I am more than happy waering communist symbols on clothing and indeed many use its symbols (or those of its heroes) in fashion these days. Yet the regime was just as bad as the Nazi's. In essence it was worse as it lasted far longer and has spread to most corners of the world. Yet we seem to happily embrace the imagery of one whilst villifying the other.

Why have we embraced the Communist symbols and heroes (such as Che Guevara) so readily whilst the Nazi regime's peronalities and symbols have become taboo?

EU Ban Urged On Communist Symbols (BBC News OnLine; Thursday 3rd February 2005)

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the_alleycat
Feb. 4th, 2005 12:36 am (UTC)
I cannot honestly support any form of censorship of infringement of Freedom of speech/expression no matter how much i may dislike what is being said...

Part of the reason for communism being more acceptable is that a) There are various forms of Communism [Soviet Union different to China, different to Cuba etc.] Secondly, communism doesn't actually as part of it's ideal include anything you could necissarily consider inhumane... Totalitarianism just tends to lean in that direction. Nazism on the other hand is derived from the Nazi party and that was inherantly despicable...

My 2$
kittensandsteam
Feb. 4th, 2005 01:06 am (UTC)
You have a very good point there.
xxxgrimxxx
Feb. 4th, 2005 01:55 am (UTC)
Because...
There's never actually been an ideologically operational communist state or government, just totalitarian regimes dressed up in the ideology without applying it or following it through.

China is the same bureaucracy it's always been, just with different trappings.

Russia wasn't really remotely communist, just an exercise in state control vs the free market and it was mostly Stalin who fucked it all up.

Both WERE Communist DURING their revolts, but not after.

Cuba isn't half bad for all America's attempts to screw them over, best preventative healthcare system in the world, genuinely improved the lot of the people there, it's time to move on but its actually a pretty good example of it working (compare the south american and other governments the west SUPPORTED and Cuba doesn't look half bad, plus Castro has good reason to be paranoid).

I find both sets of symbology fascinating and powerful, bposters etc imitated in style by BRUTE (the KMFDM cover people).

The difference, fundamentally is this...

Fascism panders to and encourages the weaker, fearful, negative side of human nature. It's a negative ideology of hate.

Communism appeals to altruism and offers that equality and fairness can be there for all. It's a positive ideology of hope.

The fact that communism has been let down in history by weak human nature doesn't mean the ideology itself is to blame, or impossible.

That's the difference.
slev
Feb. 4th, 2005 07:25 am (UTC)
Well, my comment has already been expounded on, so, 'what they said'
pond823
Feb. 4th, 2005 10:39 am (UTC)
Genocide is simply a part of Nazism, but not Communism. As someone who hates Nazis, I still can't agree with banning their symbology.
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