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Why I May Move Abroad...

This is actually really irritating on so many levels.

If I'd considered doing this two years ago then I'd probably still be in a relationship but hey, shit happens and anyway life is for living and new experiences, etc...

I *may* (and I stress the MAY part) be placing myself into voluntary exile in the next two years. I'm just getting so f**king tired of mainstream thickheadedness and anti-Europeanism of a lot of the British public. Especially the tabloids (see they wind me up even when I don't read them!).

We have a corrupt government that few trust, a population whose opinion is largely dictated to by the 'tabloid' press, and for one of the most multicultural countries in the world an alaraming rise of racism and 'patriotism' amongst the young. The problem is most of them don't actually understand what patriotism is and I very much doubt would actually be prepared to lay down their lives for it.

I'm going to hang around until after the next election for certain. I want to see how things pan out but if they don't get any better, and if the glorious British public decide they aren't interested in 'Europeanism' then I'm going to seriously start considering quitting the UK.

It's going to be hard if I do for a number of reasons (not least friends, employment, language ;-p) but I'll make a load of new friends as well as keeping in touch with old ones. I'll find a new job (or ideally be able to run Cubicle 7 as a full time concern or survive on freelancing - yeah right! ;-p). And I'll learn whatever language I need through the fact that I'll be surrounded by it 24/7.

The only question is really where should I move to if this takes place. I'd prefer to stay in Europe (so sadly Brazil is out) but don't mind about not living somewhere that speaks English as their first language. Current favourites are France, Hungary, Czech Republic or somewhere in one of the Scandinavian countries.

We'll see. But I've almost had enough of British pigheadedness.

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karohemd
Apr. 21st, 2004 04:43 pm (UTC)
Hm, I'm not sure that other countries' governments/politicians are any less corrupt and pigheaded (especiall former Eastern block ones).
Scandinavia is good, though. Most of them are reasonably liberal and have working social security/public health systems. The language barrier will also be the lowest there as everybody speaks English (and a lot better than similarly educated Germans or French would) and you can even watch your favourite TV shows and go to the cinema as they never dub and only subtitle. It's expensive, though, especially booze and going out but compared to London, housing is luxury as you get a lot more quality for your money. Don't go too far north, though, or you'll be stuck in very long nights in winter. You might be a goth but it does make people depressive.

Oddly enough, I can't really recommend my home country, the main reason being employment issues. Which is also the reason why I'm still here... If Germany, then Berlin, it's big, it's ridiculously cheap in terms of housing (at a guess, the amount you pay for your new flat in Euros and per month, not per week for something similar in size) and it's probably the most multicultural city in Germany.

Freelancing would probably be the best option as it would mainly be location independent but obviously it's not a regular amount of money paid into your account...

I do understand your reasoning, though, I think I would feel similar if I were a British citizen.
serpentstar
Apr. 21st, 2004 05:19 pm (UTC)
Ireland is pretty laid-back, despite the Catholicism. Good tax breaks for writers too.
jonnynexus
Apr. 22nd, 2004 01:52 am (UTC)
Yeah. I always figured that if ever things went totally bat-shit I'd make a run for the Republic.
eruditorum
Apr. 22nd, 2004 04:32 am (UTC)
Ireland is worse than Britain, small minded, parocial, corruption is encouraged so long as you don't get caught, xenophobic especially to english and americans, the blarney is just that and the craic is escapism, and I'm just getting started.

Go to Holland.
jonnynexus
Apr. 22nd, 2004 05:04 am (UTC)
Well to continue the spirit of this "na, the grass is even shitter over here mate!" discussion, are there any Dutch people who'd like to dish the dirt on Holland? :)
pond823
Apr. 22nd, 2004 07:24 am (UTC)
I've known a few people who have lived in Amsterdam. They have all come back, but say they enjoyed their time there. I have been to Amsterdam a number of times. I think.
serpentstar
Apr. 22nd, 2004 05:45 am (UTC)
I have a load of friends over there, one of whom is able to make a good living as a wood-carver. Useful backup if I ever fancied a break from RPG writing, that...
karkehan
Apr. 21st, 2004 05:34 pm (UTC)
Run Logan run...
I hate to tell you this - but it's everywhere. Nationalism is rife in many European countries - France and Germany have major problems with racism just like the UK. Conservative and corrupt governments are everywhere - you won't escape them no matter how hard you try. Governments love a manipulatable public - that's why education is being watered down in so many countries - they don't want their citizens to be educated - that way they might start to think for themselves!
We can't escape these things for long - they will come to roost where ever you are. All we can do is face up to them and fight them. If you are really passionate about this - maybe it's time that you stood up and said so? I for one would be right next to you.
(Anonymous)
Apr. 22nd, 2004 04:18 am (UTC)
Re: Run Logan run...
I'd have to go with this fellow looney.
Running away doesn't solve anything.

Things aren't so fantastically bad here compared with a lot of places.
Fight, educate, protest in any way you can, it doesn't have to mean going on the streets or hurling petrol bombs. There's a lot of things that can be done.

I doubt anyone will bother to educate themselves on the European issue though, to most it's emotive, not a rational issue.

G
angusabranson
Apr. 22nd, 2004 04:16 pm (UTC)
Re: Run Logan run...
To be honest - I'd prefer to go on to the streets and hurl petrol bombs - but it wouldn't solve anything apart from getting me locked away.

Apart from a small minority of people everyone else would just stay at home too uncaring to join in.
evildrganymede
Apr. 21st, 2004 05:51 pm (UTC)
But I've almost had enough of British pigheadedness.

Tell me about it. Canada - or at least my tiny part of it - is a totally different world by comparison. And the government and the people are generally sane over here...

Seriously dude. If you're going to move to a new country, come over to Victoria/Vancouver Island/Canada. It's really awesome here.
riksowden
Apr. 22nd, 2004 03:04 am (UTC)
i've had a number of folks say Canada is nice...and good...and ace...
angusabranson
Apr. 22nd, 2004 04:22 pm (UTC)
Canada is certainly getting the thumbs up form a lot of people in this thread :-)
riksowden
Apr. 23rd, 2004 01:31 am (UTC)
seems to be - though as i say, i've only heard this, never been...my Nan's friend really likes it?
ua_meruti
Apr. 21st, 2004 05:57 pm (UTC)
I know what you mean mate. Though I don't think I necessarily agree with you on the EU thing, I dislike seeing my country in the hands of the people who govern yet think they rule it.

Ah well, I'm likely going to be shipping out to Canada fairly soon anyway, if you're ever in Ontario, look me up.
angusabranson
Apr. 22nd, 2004 04:19 pm (UTC)
Re: Your comments on Europe.

We already live in a country in the hands of people who govern yet think they rule.

I don't see any real difference if its a European Government or a British (well, English and Welsh) government. European unity has so much to offer us. Trying to stay out of it will only, in the long run, hurt the country.
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angusabranson
Apr. 22nd, 2004 04:20 pm (UTC)
Canada is getting a lot of mentions in this thread :-p

I'm certainly levaing it a few years before I jump ship. I want to see the next election out of the way for sure.

I quite like the idea of taking over a small island. As long as its reasonably warm and not north of Scotland ;-p

Just wait till I make my first £10,000,000 and I may talk to you about the idea :-)
pond823
Apr. 22nd, 2004 02:37 am (UTC)
Vicki and I have been talking alot about what it would be like to move to Mexico. I'm sure it's even more corrupt and at least as pig headed as the UK, but it's also vastly less complex, has the worlds greatest national drink and more history than you can shake an American at. Also, the mexicans I have met have always been very open, humourous and caring.

I've also seen Sweden from the inside to some degree. Politically it's more left-wing, certainly internally, than the UK. The people are friendly, but not warm and almost everyone speaks english. I wouldn't move to Sweden because I think I'd get bored of the apparent perfection - it's not, but they like to think it is. That's not to say I don't like the Swedish, they are terrific, intelligent, artiticulate and determined, it's telling though that the Swedes I have liked the best have all moved to here or Paris.

Finally I could easily retire to St Troupe once I've got my millions. There is a lot I love about the french and france.
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mrsdominic
Apr. 26th, 2004 01:49 pm (UTC)
Go Angus! I'm on a 2 year plan to get the hell out of here myself. Will go anywhere for work!

Ireland is lovely, but non-English speaking is the best for not really being involed in politics (unless of course you want to follow them). Everywhere is small minded and petty, but joining a wider international community means you don't live like the locals(again unless you really want to). I liked Sweden, but expensive booze. Munich is lovely, but is rather rightwing. Brussels is surprisingly nice, but no night clubs. Dublin is ok-ish. Galway is the best place on earth, if you know where to go. Nice could be nice. Sunshine and near the Alps!
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