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First off.... ACCIDENTLY????

Now I have known enough friends who have worked in the military to know that for someone to even LOOK at a nuke they have to go through a ton of red tape and paperwork. So how SIX LIVE nukes get ACCIDENTLY transported on a B-52 across the mainland US to an airbase that is being used as a US Jump Point to the Middle East and Iraq Operations without ANYONE knowing about it does kind of stretch the laws of credibility a bit.

There have apparently been over FOUR decades of protocol pretty much forbidding armed nukes to be transported over the US. So it's not like the MISTAKE is an easy one to make all told.

Anyway, some believe this was an operation to move American WMD into the Middle East as a possibly ploy against Iran. Personally, the fact that they have been moved at all 'ACCIDENTLY' or not is incredibly worrying. If it was ACCIDENTAL (and I can't imagine for a moment it could have been) then that is an incredibly severe security breach at the highest level. If it wasn't an accident then they are going to some lengths to claim it was a simple accident and nothing more sinister and I'm sorry but I just can't accept the massive chain of 'mishaps' which would have led to SIX NUCLEAR WEAPONS ending up being loaded onto a B-52 and flown anywhere.

This is really scary stuff. I mean REALLY SCARY.

US B-52 In Nuclear Cargo Blunder (BBC News Online; Wednesday 5th September 2007)

Staging Nukes For Iran? (NoQuarterUSA.net; Wednesday 5th September 2007) - Thanks to Gareth for that link!

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cazmonster
Sep. 6th, 2007 11:59 pm (UTC)
I'm moving to England - do you have room for a family of four to hide under your couch?
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pond823
Sep. 7th, 2007 08:37 am (UTC)
That's been my opinion all along, is a scare tactic. I honestly don't believe the US would use a nuke on Iran without serious escalation first.
heliograph
Sep. 7th, 2007 01:55 pm (UTC)
That's been my opinion all along, is a scare tactic.

And Angus has been co-opted by The Man!

I honestly don't believe the US would use a nuke on Iran without serious escalation first.

They needed to use the nukes to stop Iran from using Iranian nukes to stop an Osama terrorist plot against the US. 911, think of the children!
bob_goat
Sep. 7th, 2007 12:35 am (UTC)
You would be surprised of some of the dumb shit the military does. My brother who is a pilot has some scarey stories. Gotta say I am not surprised.
twisted_times
Sep. 7th, 2007 11:43 am (UTC)

I'm not surprised either.

I used to live just down the road from the U.S.A.F. Base at Edzell. Some of the stories I've heard from the US Marines stationed there scared the hell out of me. It's no coincidence whatsoever that the term "Military Intelligence" is a oxymoron...

(Anonymous)
Sep. 7th, 2007 12:38 am (UTC)
Not an Accident, a bit of nooclear sabre rattling
Hey Angus,

Wouldn't worry about it too much from a nukes "accidentally" loaded on aeroplane nor nukes transported to Middle-eastern jump point.

The weapons apparently were hung on the plane's wings, someone had to go through a lot of red tape (hopefully :) to get the missiles out of storage and then the ground crew had to not notice that the missiles they were hanging didn't have Dummy written all over them.
The military are generally very keen to distinguish between training/blank weapons and live ones, issuing live weapons in peacetime is only second only to issuing blanks during wartime in the grand scheme of Quartermaster sins! So missiles etc. are very very clearly marked, live, training, etc.

As for the conspiracy theory that they were shipped to Barksdale as a prelude to moving them to the middle east, there is no need for that, apparently Diego Garcia (a bit of UK territory on loan to the US in the indian ocean) is chock full of prepositioned kit including nukes. There is also a huge runway and it supported B-52 bombing raids against Iraq and Afghanistan.
America certainly has at least one carrier group in the Gulf, again armed with nuclear weapons and no doubt there are a couple of submarines in the area which are also capable of launching cruise missiles.

Aircraft launched nuclear attacks are sooooo 50s

This is a story leaked by the US to let someone know that they have nuclear capable bombers still, in much the same way as the Russians staged an 8 bomber "attack" on the UK today which was seen off by Tornado fighters, so no new intelligence on the Eurofighter for the Russians there then!

What I would be worried about is that we appear to be heading back into ColdWar style posturing by some of the most heavily armed countries in the world, unfortunately with the US forces presumably quite stretched by their activities in Iraq and Afghanistan if someone makes a mistake and say a couple of aircraft collide the US may respond with a (ha) limited strike, maybe using a little battlefield nuke, especially if the enemy is easily identified.

If this happens then I think we may all be screwed.

so think happy thoughts everyone!
(Anonymous)
Sep. 7th, 2007 02:43 am (UTC)
You are a complete idiot and naive to boot!
faerierhona
Sep. 7th, 2007 09:20 am (UTC)
but not so much of a coward as to hide behind an anonymous label.
adrian_gosling
Sep. 9th, 2007 08:40 pm (UTC)
And you are a "chicken" for hiding behind an Anon post label.
As for your derogatory comment:- *Yawn* Try explaining your reasons or don't bother posting. (IF you actually have any reasons that is.)
(Anonymous)
Sep. 7th, 2007 03:32 am (UTC)
Got to agree...an "accident" seems extremely unlikely...
Although you're certainly correct that protocols that are in place for the proper handling of U.S. nuclear weapons are comprehensive and very, VERY exacting, the possibility of an error like this DOES exist. I remember back in the late 1980s when a U.S. Army weapons depot in Texas was discovered to have half a dozen ARMED (W-80 warheads if I'm not mistaken) Pershing II IRBMs in storage---in violation of the 1987 Intermediate Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty. I was just leaving high school when this happened, and I remember hearing about it and thinking, "Wow. That's embarrassing."

If it was in fact a screw-up, then it was an unacceptable screw-up and EVERYBODY needs to get their shit together. The Air Force Inspector General had better start interrogating the living hell out of everyone associated with that squadron and its command. The idea of the Air Combat Command "misplacing" SIX THERMONUCLEAR WEAPONS (yield somewhere in the vicinity of 170 to 250 kilotons apiece) is, although darkly funny, quite terrifying.
faerierhona
Sep. 7th, 2007 09:27 am (UTC)
I don't believe it was an accident, I think it was accidentally-on-purpose and then leaked to the news. "Hey Middle East (and probably Iran in particular) we have nukes and they're kinda pointing in your direction, but we're not going to overtly threaten you"
winterbadger
Sep. 7th, 2007 06:57 pm (UTC)
I really don't think there's much of a story here, other than that some aircrew used to loading weapons didn't get the word to take the warheads out. The plan to decommission these cruise missiles has been around for a while; it's not like it was just dreamed up so as to excuse moving the warheads.

Nuclear weapons move around all the time, as part of routine operations. The whole point of *some* nuclear weapons (like Trident) is that they are on the move in unknown (to the public) locations.

And six nuclear weapons are not enough (no, I'm serious) to use in a concerted strike against Iran. Not if the point is to really be sure you are taking out all of their possible nuclear weapons labs. Which would be the only possible reason for starting it to begin with.

But in any case, anonymous commenting is Teh Suck. If you're not prepared to stand by your opinions, then don't make them known!
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