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(Meme) When 10 Things Become 11

(mumbles) I have too many damn Wiccan friends it seems. Several others have also been taught by prominent/famous UK Wiccans so I'm forced to come up with a substitute...

11a. Went clubbing with Patricia Morrision (she of 'Sisters of Mercy'Floodland-era fame)

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11b. Refused to use a calculator during a GCSE Math exam because I felt it was cheating and not testing what You as a Person knew but how well You could use a machine. Thus I did the exam completely unaided and passed with a 'C'. Teachers were a bit miffed at me as I had been preicted an 'A' but I was going through a rebellious phase. I then refused to do Math at A-Level as I'd seen the course and really didn't want to spend the next two years of my life doing that. Don't even get me started on my English exam :p (In many aspects being rebellious/stubborn/pig-headed from 15+ was not the best of moves. I should have waited until after I'd finished my exams!)

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miramanga
Feb. 26th, 2005 11:28 pm (UTC)
I was thinking about learning more about Wiccan stuff...it's very alluring
angusabranson
Feb. 27th, 2005 06:01 pm (UTC)
It's very good, although their is elitism and 'better than thou' attitudes in its ranks just like most religions.

When I studied it I studied under teachers who had studied and been initiated in a number of schools (not just Wicca) and they brought a much broader approach to magic and ritual which was something I liked. Wicca is a nice school of thought but I haven't found a single school of thought/religion which suits me 100%. Thus I have my own belief system/philosophy which is derived from a number of different sources.
ua_meruti
Feb. 27th, 2005 12:14 am (UTC)
You went clubbing with Patricia Morrison? How incredibly cool is that?
gabby2600
Feb. 27th, 2005 03:29 am (UTC)
Wicca is well ok, but stil it's far to religious and dogmatic for me. I don't want tobe told by anyone how I should act and behave. The the 3 laws of Wicca are far to open to interpretation and being twisted by those at a higher level than you.

Me I'm in to Chaos Magic, and well with that anything goes form the Muppets, to Cthulhu. When you realise that the only person that can change your life and your destiny is yourself Chaos Magic seems to fit a lot better.

I have nothing agains Wiccans in general, but the whole fadish nature of many people to be part of something hip and trendy, means a lot of so called wiccans have read abook and don't practice, but adopt the name because it sounds cool and they have read a book.

Part of the Wican docterine states you have to perfrom the festivals and rituals at set times of the year. Many of these wiccans won't do this, however I have the upmost respect for those who do.

But still I feel the agressive eleitism and snobery amongst some Wiccans is just sickening. The whole 3 level thing also helps promote the elitest factor, because those are theones who can basically take you to the next level. I have seen this happen and those underlings basically get treated like slaves. Again this is why I prefer Chaos magic, as their are no levels and you treat everyone with respect as even the beginer might come up with something better than the experienced. As Experience usually means you older and more senile, and your mind is not alway as limber as it was.

For mor info in Chaos Magic go here

http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/index_e-books.html

Get Phil Hines book on Oven Ready Chaos, it's a basic starter in to Chaos Magic.

Oh and yes I was a Wiccan for a while but it was far to dogmatic nd controling it reminded me far to much of the one time I went to Sunday School.


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gabby2600
Feb. 27th, 2005 05:07 pm (UTC)
it's something thats has been banded about I think it started with the Pagan Feds 3 rules you must argee to.

angusabranson
Feb. 27th, 2005 05:22 pm (UTC)
I can't remember the PF's 3 rules (and I used to be on their media committee :p ---- whoops!)
gabby2600
Feb. 27th, 2005 06:06 pm (UTC)
I never joined, i thought about it, then I read that magazine, and got invadaed by fluffyness whichput me right off.
angusabranson
Feb. 27th, 2005 06:11 pm (UTC)
Some aspects of it can be a bit 'fairies at the bottom of our garden' and 'hug a tree', but there were decidely un tree-huggy pagans in their too :p
gabby2600
Feb. 27th, 2005 06:17 pm (UTC)
Damn I forgot about the tree hugging bit.

As one man said trees are good they filter teh air, but they also produce as much carbon dioxide as hey do oxygen. so if you want to reduce teh carbon dioxide, build a concrete road, as concrete can hold vast amounts of Carbon emisions.

I know it does not sound very geen but it's the best way to reduce the Carbon Dioxide in the air.

I many sound a bit cynical,but with everything me, Lyd and Storm have done, we tend to get a bit fed up with some aspects of religion and dogma as they are obviously their as an element of control to enforce a spasific agena. Yet people blindly follow like sheep, when all you want to do is open their eyes.
angusabranson
Feb. 27th, 2005 06:25 pm (UTC)
Agreed on the dogma = control bit.

Never been one for oragnised religions. I'll study them but I won't follow them. I also ask too many questions and am a bit vocal when I don't agree with something. I'll never forget the faces of some of the other students in one group I was working with when I questioned what we were being told and gave an alternative idea. Net result - I ended up getting picked out for further tuition whilst the other students finsihed their course and went their merry ways (my teacher at that point preferred people to question and not blindly accept it seems but many aren't as free-thinking).

I remember another time myself and a few friends (then girlfriend + another couple) were doing another course and we had someone in to teach us some meditation techniques. It was all going well until we had to do one which started off with us as 'seeds' and we had 'to grow into a tree'. It all felt more like a drama class than a meditaition one and none of us could tae it seriously after that. Shame ;p
gabby2600
Feb. 27th, 2005 06:36 pm (UTC)
The comedy aspect of magic is an untapped resource, me and Storm have an idea for a book on this.

'Drawing down the moon' or 'Putting the Bint in to the Bucket.'

angusabranson
Feb. 27th, 2005 06:05 pm (UTC)
The elitism in certain circles in Wicca (and paganism/magick as a whole) astounded me. I was accepted becaus eof my teachers and people just presumed I'd been initiated and spoke openly about things which they probably shouldn't have done (and certainly wouldn't have done if they'd known I wasn't initiated!).

As I mentioned in a reply above, I studied Wicca under very good teachers who had been schooled in a number of different systems and used that in their teachings. I like Wicca but I also like a number of different magical schools of thought/religions and derive my own belief system from various sources according to what works for me. Personally I think all magic should be done this way. Try various things, learn and research everything, and then make up your own philosophy.
gabby2600
Feb. 27th, 2005 06:08 pm (UTC)
Humm.. It sounds like your in to borderline Chaos Magic, as thats what we do, we just borrow from what works for us, andoccasionally just make things up on the spot.

That reminds me I have to get my friends Loony toons ritual and wrire a Muppets one.
angusabranson
Feb. 27th, 2005 06:20 pm (UTC)
The idea for me (and the goal) was to be able to create magic without any of the ritual or tools. In my opinion you can/should be able to do anything just using your mind. Your mind is the ultimate tool.

The apparatus involved are all there to help you visualise and use as a focal point but at a certain level your should be able to work without them.

The idea of utilising Muppets and Looney Tunes, etc, in magic isn't an appealing one to me. I (personally) just wouldn't be able to take it serious.
gabby2600
Feb. 27th, 2005 06:33 pm (UTC)
The whole point with the the muppets one is for a bit of funn and as an experiement to see what can be done with thought forms.

Iagree with the whole idea of tools being abind, however the miod at first needs some form of mental crutch to work with. But still all the candles and things that go Ting are nice.

On useing your mind I found out something very interesting. When the connectionson a Computer processor get to about 1 atoms width, you can get what is called quantum tunneling because the electrons are so tightlypack togehter they some how make a tunnel through to a quantum dimention. Now look at how the brain works, similar very fine pathways whcih fire electrical signals (electrons) to nurons, now with the right kind of activiy the same quantum tunneling shouls happen. This then leads on to the possiblity that the conciousness is stores in another dimention,and wth the right trainng wecanget access atrally to many of these dimentions along Quantum Strings. Also the quantum string theory, would mean that if you could creat the right kind of quantum tunnel you can connect two minds together telepathically.

The latest descoveries in to Quantum Physics are very interesting and offer many explanations of how magic can work. One thing that scientists found out is that heir are 11 dimentions on the quantum Universe, ours being just oneof them. Strangly enough the tree of life shows 11 Sepheroth, Also quite a few other cultures have a simialr 11 stage setup. Lok at the Divine Comedy their are 9 levels to hell, plus limbo,heaven and earth, that makes 11. Dante may not have know much about realities and maagic but he may have looked at plenty of research, and old scripture. Ihave not done much research in to this yet but it's somethign Ithink needs to be looked at and see if any other cultures use an 11 dimentional model.

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gabby2600
Feb. 27th, 2005 07:43 pm (UTC)
I know the three laws are from the PF, but alot of new wiccas in my area seem to be adopting them over most other things.

Personally I like the only rulein Chaos Magic

'Nothing is true, but everything is permitted.'
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gabby2600
Feb. 28th, 2005 03:14 am (UTC)
Many of themin th wolverhampton area need a really good slapping, especially all theonesunder the age of 30.
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