I was thinking about learning more about Wiccan stuff...it's very alluring

You went clubbing with Patricia Morrison? How incredibly cool is that?

Wicca is well ok, but stil it's far to religious and dogmatic for me. I don't want tobe told by anyone how I should act and behave. The the 3 laws of Wicca are far to open to interpretation and being twisted by those at a higher level than you.

Me I'm in to Chaos Magic, and well with that anything goes form the Muppets, to Cthulhu. When you realise that the only person that can change your life and your destiny is yourself Chaos Magic seems to fit a lot better.

I have nothing agains Wiccans in general, but the whole fadish nature of many people to be part of something hip and trendy, means a lot of so called wiccans have read abook and don't practice, but adopt the name because it sounds cool and they have read a book.

Part of the Wican docterine states you have to perfrom the festivals and rituals at set times of the year. Many of these wiccans won't do this, however I have the upmost respect for those who do.

But still I feel the agressive eleitism and snobery amongst some Wiccans is just sickening. The whole 3 level thing also helps promote the elitest factor, because those are theones who can basically take you to the next level. I have seen this happen and those underlings basically get treated like slaves. Again this is why I prefer Chaos magic, as their are no levels and you treat everyone with respect as even the beginer might come up with something better than the experienced. As Experience usually means you older and more senile, and your mind is not alway as limber as it was.

For mor info in Chaos Magic go here

http://www.philhine.org.uk/writings/index_e-books.html

Get Phil Hines book on Oven Ready Chaos, it's a basic starter in to Chaos Magic.

Oh and yes I was a Wiccan for a while but it was far to dogmatic nd controling it reminded me far to much of the one time I went to Sunday School.

it's something thats has been banded about I think it started with the Pagan Feds 3 rules you must argee to.

I never joined, i thought about it, then I read that magazine, and got invadaed by fluffyness whichput me right off.

Damn I forgot about the tree hugging bit.

As one man said trees are good they filter teh air, but they also produce as much carbon dioxide as hey do oxygen. so if you want to reduce teh carbon dioxide, build a concrete road, as concrete can hold vast amounts of Carbon emisions.

I know it does not sound very geen but it's the best way to reduce the Carbon Dioxide in the air.

I many sound a bit cynical,but with everything me, Lyd and Storm have done, we tend to get a bit fed up with some aspects of religion and dogma as they are obviously their as an element of control to enforce a spasific agena. Yet people blindly follow like sheep, when all you want to do is open their eyes.

The comedy aspect of magic is an untapped resource, me and Storm have an idea for a book on this.

'Drawing down the moon' or 'Putting the Bint in to the Bucket.'

Humm.. It sounds like your in to borderline Chaos Magic, as thats what we do, we just borrow from what works for us, andoccasionally just make things up on the spot.

That reminds me I have to get my friends Loony toons ritual and wrire a Muppets one.

The whole point with the the muppets one is for a bit of funn and as an experiement to see what can be done with thought forms.

Iagree with the whole idea of tools being abind, however the miod at first needs some form of mental crutch to work with. But still all the candles and things that go Ting are nice.

On useing your mind I found out something very interesting. When the connectionson a Computer processor get to about 1 atoms width, you can get what is called quantum tunneling because the electrons are so tightlypack togehter they some how make a tunnel through to a quantum dimention. Now look at how the brain works, similar very fine pathways whcih fire electrical signals (electrons) to nurons, now with the right kind of activiy the same quantum tunneling shouls happen. This then leads on to the possiblity that the conciousness is stores in another dimention,and wth the right trainng wecanget access atrally to many of these dimentions along Quantum Strings. Also the quantum string theory, would mean that if you could creat the right kind of quantum tunnel you can connect two minds together telepathically.

The latest descoveries in to Quantum Physics are very interesting and offer many explanations of how magic can work. One thing that scientists found out is that heir are 11 dimentions on the quantum Universe, ours being just oneof them. Strangly enough the tree of life shows 11 Sepheroth, Also quite a few other cultures have a simialr 11 stage setup. Lok at the Divine Comedy their are 9 levels to hell, plus limbo,heaven and earth, that makes 11. Dante may not have know much about realities and maagic but he may have looked at plenty of research, and old scripture. Ihave not done much research in to this yet but it's somethign Ithink needs to be looked at and see if any other cultures use an 11 dimentional model.

I know the three laws are from the PF, but alot of new wiccas in my area seem to be adopting them over most other things.

Personally I like the only rulein Chaos Magic

'Nothing is true, but everything is permitted.'

Many of themin th wolverhampton area need a really good slapping, especially all theonesunder the age of 30.