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Terrorists come in all colours.....

Sorry for the sudden post but things like this piss me off......

Three brothers have been found guilty of passing money onto Hamas. They have yet to be sentenced but have attracted a media circus because of their faith. The reason why this pisses me off? Double-standards.

For years a number of Irish Americans have been fundraising and passing money onto the IRA (and still do) and nothing is done about it at all. Now regardless of my personal feelings on the Irish situation the fact remains that this is completely double standards.

When I was in Vegas a couple of years ago over St Patricks Day (the week the US and UK went to war in Iraq and the War Against Terror was already very much in its full swing) the hotel I was staying in had an IRA Fund Rasier going on! The people I spoke to saw the terrorism in Northern Ireland/UK to be a completely different matter than the terrorism brought on by a small group of Islamic fundamentalists.

I'm sorry, but if you start a war against terrorism you can't pick and choose the definition.

So, when are we going to start hearing of terrorist proceedings against those who are not Muslim?

US Muslims Guilty of Aiding Hamas (BBC News OnLine; Thursday 14th April 2005)

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riksowden
Apr. 14th, 2005 09:58 am (UTC)
Completely agree, its the same as, entirely.
davywavy
Apr. 14th, 2005 10:38 am (UTC)
I seem to recall making a speech on just that subject :)
riksowden
Apr. 14th, 2005 11:08 am (UTC)
Really? Well done!

*grin*
davywavy
Apr. 14th, 2005 11:10 am (UTC)
You were there, remember?
riksowden
Apr. 14th, 2005 11:12 am (UTC)
I know, i were being 'funny'
nesf
Apr. 14th, 2005 10:37 am (UTC)
The north is the longest running armed conflict in the world atm iirc.

As for the american "war on terror". It's a complete fuck up imo. Terrorism is only a form of war, not all war is terrorism, but the differences are very slight. Justification for war is generally terrible. Since both sides can usually make a good case for their situation. Just a matter of whose propoganda you prefer.

For example Northern Ireland.

Case for the IRA: Britian has no right to have a presence on the Irish Isle. None. Ireland was invaded by Britian long ago and we'd like you out now please. N.I. should have been freed along with the other Irish counties when Ireland gained it's freedom. The injustices and atrocities that were committed under British rule in Ireland are both proliferous and well documented.

Case for Britian/Loyalists: The majority of people living in the North are of Scottish Presbyterian decent and not Irish decent. Alot of the people in the north consider themselves British first and Irish second (I think it's the majority but it's close). The orginal invasion occured so long ago that the present British government has every right to consider N.I. part of Britian.

Both are valid arguments.

Personally, I think both the IRA and the Loyalists are wrong and that violence is never justified except in self defense. And no the War on Terror does not count as self defense. Self defense is directly preventing someone from harming you, not pre-empting it. A very important distinction.

As for the whole united Ireland thing. Hmm. I'd like to see the six counties be a part of Ireland, but to be honest thats upto the people who live there and not people like me. There has been alot of bloodshed and heartbreak on both sides if one cares to bring it up. American supporters of the IRA generally don't have a fucking clue about what's been going on over here 1000 years, they are just trying to appear "irish" by their support for the IRA.

Fuck them. If I was in Britian and walked in on a loyalist fundraiser I'd be equally as upset as yourself walking into an IRA one in the US.

Personally I think the UN should have been in there peacekeeping for the past 20 years, but thats not likely to happen when it's a veto members back garden being trampled on.
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nesf
Apr. 14th, 2005 12:10 pm (UTC)
I won't get into an argument about it.

I oversimplified both the IRA and British arguments, otherwise we'd end up with a thesis instead of a short comment. The North and the relationship between Ireland and Britian is a stupidly complex topic. There is alot of hurt on both sides, and I don't see a point in delving too deep into it. It's just a mess.

My point was that both sides can make valid arguments and so therefore neither side is more correct than the other from a neutral standpoint. What is more important is the fact that the use of violence by either side is wrong. I can't and won't condone the actions of either side, personally I wish it would just stop. Neither the Republic or Britain need the situation to continue.

I was also just trying to point out that the americans who support the IRA are idiots who have no ideas of the consequences of their support. The majority of irish people don't want a thing to do with the IRA and really would like them to stop the killing.
cholten99
Apr. 14th, 2005 01:22 pm (UTC)
> the hotel I was staying in had an IRA Fund Rasier going on!

Actually using the phrase "IRA" rather than somethimg like "Irish Freedom Fighters" (or whatever).

Good job I wasn't there (or a number of other people I would imagine) as it could have become fairly unpleasent...
angusabranson
Apr. 14th, 2005 01:51 pm (UTC)
I can't remember the phrasing now. Sorry.
heliograph
Apr. 14th, 2005 07:56 pm (UTC)
"So, when are we going to start hearing of terrorist proceedings against those who are not Muslim?"

When they start blowing up Americans or attacking Isreal. The major attacks on American soil have been 1) domestic or 2) Muslim.

I live in Boston and when I first moved up here I was plenty appalled by the IRA fundraising, but it was all cloaked in that "Freedom Fighter" stuff. In the last decade they've toned it down, but it's still there.
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