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Veritas: The new Nazi's????

Jesus! Just read the opening paragraph on the BBC News site about Kilroy-Silks new Veritas party and his statements. What on Earth happened to turn an old-school Labour MP into the new White Supremist movements saviour? What a f**kwit.

"Euro MP Robert Kilroy-Silk has launched his Veritas Party's manifesto with an attack on multi-culturalism imposed by "liberal fascists in London".

The idea that everybody should respect each others' cultures was "nonsense", he said, adding that not all cultures were equal - some were "reprehensible".

Talk about blinkered and racist.
Kilroy Attacks "Liberal Fascism" (BBC News OnLine; Thursday 14th April 2005)

I just hope that Veritas, BNP, UKIP and The Conservatives manage to dillute each others vote so much they hand seats to the LibDems and Labour. It'd be good to see The Conservatives go the way of the dinosaurs.

To be honest, some of Veritas' views are quite sound but are expressed in too much sensationalism. Take the above 'cultures' comment. One of the things they are mainly talking about is the cultures were 'honour killings' are common place, as are forced marriages and restrictions of freedoms and speech. Now I support the view that these should not be tolerated in the UK (or anywhere) but playing on the views and feelings of the rascists/paranoids/scared to win votes should not be a campaigning tactic (although it is in so many places...).


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Apr. 14th, 2005 02:24 pm (UTC)
Oh dear. I think they do actually mean well but they seem to suffer from Terminal Foot in Mouth disease.
Apr. 14th, 2005 02:44 pm (UTC)
I'd agree with him that "some cultures are reprehensible". Nazi's and right-wing white supremacists spring to mind. And chavs, though I'd hesitate before calling chavs a 'culture'.

Apr. 14th, 2005 03:06 pm (UTC)
Ther are a lot of things that are 'cultural' and so not attacked publically, but are indeed reprehensible including, but not limited to: circumcision (male and female), public stonings, executions and torture, honour killing, forced marriage, de facto household slavery for women, and more.

Any culture which defends/retains thse practises *is* reprehensible, and so R K-S has a point as far as it goes.
Just nice that someone is being publically honest about it for once.
Not that I'd vote for him, mind. I'm not racist, but there's no way I'm voting for a man with orange skin...
Apr. 14th, 2005 03:27 pm (UTC)
D'you know, he isn't really that colour? I've met him and yes, he is tanned but he isn't actually orange. I wonder what filter they stick on the camera and does he know about it? *grin*
Apr. 14th, 2005 04:55 pm (UTC)
His Mum used to live up the road from my family when I was little. Not that that's relevant but hey! :p
Apr. 14th, 2005 03:49 pm (UTC)
The reason not everyone is publically honest about this kind of thing is fear of being labelled 'The New Nazi's'.
I certainly do not blindly respect everybodies cultures.
Apr. 14th, 2005 04:06 pm (UTC)
But didn't you know? Everyone who doesn't conform to the New-centralite Labour/LibDem mental hegemony is a Nazi. Surely that is plain to see?
Certainly anyone who expresses any slightly differing opinion must promptly be labelled a Nazi and painted as black as possible to prevent anyone suggestible actually listening to a different point of view.

New Nazi.
Apr. 14th, 2005 04:27 pm (UTC)
Status Quo - crap as rock band, crap as way of life.
Apr. 14th, 2005 03:46 pm (UTC)
You surely don't want Labour to get more seats! *shudder* :) :)
But, what I was going to say was that I agree with you that this Veritas party seems a little suspicious. They seem sensible but if you look at what they are actually saying it's a bit scary. I seem to recall learning that the Nazis sounded reasonable to 'a post Great War broken by reparations and financial doom' Germany!! Is this how it starts? And is Britain that desperate to need that sort of alternative? I hope not, but you never know... :/
Apr. 14th, 2005 04:56 pm (UTC)
No I don't want Labour to get more seats. If I had my way we'd have proportionate represntation and a much stronger Green party.
Apr. 14th, 2005 04:21 pm (UTC)
I can not take anyone with the name Robert Kilroy Silk seriously anyway. It sounds like a name that a fourteen year old would come up with for their first ever Toreador.
Oh, Tony Blair could be a nice, attention dodging, solid Nos name and Charles Kennedy could be an aristocrat embraced into the Ventrue.
Damn. Now I feel a scenario coming on.
Apr. 14th, 2005 04:23 pm (UTC)
Problem here is what is considered automatically inclusive in a culture.

For example:-

Some Muslims consider honour killings a socially acceptable deterrent and against promiscuity and good way of rebuilding respect within their community. Some Catholics believe it is right that the use of condoms be banned even if the side effects are a continent riddled with Aids. Some rap fans think that it is right to defend ones honour through the use of firearms.

Are all Muslims, Catholics and Rappers murders?
When the media only report negative sides of a culture, those outside that culture consider those elements vital and integral to the culture, therefore everyone from those cultures become demons, perfectly capable of committing horrible deeds, when generally it is only the extreme few who do. My problem with Kilroy Silk is that he tries to play both cards, praying off the fear of those outside a culture but excusing he message with small gestures towards those within it.
Apr. 14th, 2005 04:25 pm (UTC)
just to add we do suffer a lack of control in regards to immigration
there is no proper checks on anyone and if they have committed any sort of crime/war-crime
or any checks on infection/disease TB and Aids come to mind
No checks on the mental welfare of refugees/immigrants
Quite a lot of refugees have suffered torture, post traumatic stress
and other mental related conditions
No form of resettlement program so that when new immigrant come to an area
they know what they will encounter and so does the residents of the community
No lesson on british culture like they have in the US (this was promised but not delivered)
In fact if it was not for the cold war most of these situations would not of occurred to such extent
thanks US and USSR
Currently there is a major problem with the Albanian mafia and the extensive amount of crime committed including forced/slavery prostitution
where even abduction is involved, illegal arms trade, many forms of smuggling including people and large scale fraud(including hi tech/computer fraud) and drugs
This sort of organized crime on this scale, Britain and europe are not prepared for and interpol is now just a joke
It could of become the force to tackle this problem but bickering between forces and countries only aid such criminal organization
If britain is gonna be part of a federal Europe then we need a federal Police/arms force
This is more urgent than the so called "Muslim" threat
apparently the situations was warned about in the 70s
something to do with clash of cultures
Oh yeah we need to give back power to families on how to raise their children
As well as allow discipline back into schools
No more should we hear about teachers being attacked by pupils or even their parents
If these issues are not dealt with, then the way is open for a extreme right wing group to get into power or become more popular
when the political parties become similar then people cannot really tell the difference and therefore vote for more extreme movements
look at germany 1919-1931
Even though we are not at such a crisis these sort of conditions can be replicated
A shame that Veritas he has to sound such stuff out as some of their other policies sound ok
We do need to reject the Americanism of Britain and adopt a European/British identity
Apr. 14th, 2005 05:41 pm (UTC)
I think parents have enough power for raising their children,
just very few seem to take the responsibility.
There was a time parents accepted teacher's assessments of their children and worked to support them in their education.
Now more and more they get upset at the teachers if their children arn't working in school, and blame teachers if the kids underacheive.

I don't think parents need to be given power back.
They need to take back that power and support teachers.
Many seem to think it is school's job to civilise and discipline their children, when if they arn't on that road by the age of five, you are in trouble.

Pretty much agree with the rest though! :-)
I rather like the mixture of what it is to be English.
In America people are all African/American, Irish/American,
nice that over here everyone seems to just refers to themselves as English.

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