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Right, many of you will have seen the below on friends LJ's. Several of you will have actually posted it on your Live Journals.

I am not asking anyone to repost this. In fact I'm actually asking you to only do so if you can find the source of the story. I think it's fake and no one who has listed it so far can tell me its origins apart from 'I got it from a friends LJ'.

So please, can anyone point me to the news article or source of the below. It feels fake as it lacks a lot of details that a real situation would have (town, county or at least country for starters). I think it is probably aimed at playing on people's dislike of the religious-right and (in my interpretation oof it) especially America's religious-right. Now whilst I am a ardent critic of right-wing America and religous bigotry of all stripes (and right-wing whereevers regardless of geographical location) I like doing it with facts and true stories that can be verified.

So please, if you have ANY information on the below please let me know!!!!

True Story. A religion teacher assigned her class an essay on what makes a good Christian. One student wrote about praying nightly, say no to abortion, banning gay marriage, and donating money. The other student wrote about talking to God and allowing people to enjoy their lives, and supporting gay marriage. The day the teacher was to hand the papers back, she called up the second student and told him she would pray for him when he went to hell. The student asked why would he be going to hell, and why he got an F on his paper. The teacher told him that Catholisim is against gay marriage. The student looked at her for a minute, then said aloud, "I'm gay." The teacher kicked him out of class as if he had said fuck or worshiped Satan. A girl in the back of class who had a boyfriend and was obviously straight got up and left too.

If you would leave the classroom, repost this. It doesn't matter if you're straight, bi, or gay. It doesn't matter if you're Catholic or not. Everyone is a human being and deserves happiness.


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Aug. 8th, 2005 11:31 pm (UTC)
Can't find anything on Snopes, which is usually the best source for disproving this kind of thing. Does sound terribly fake though.
Aug. 9th, 2005 04:15 am (UTC)
Well the thing is, even if it is fake, it is bound to have happened _somewhere_ in the US world.

Aug. 9th, 2005 04:21 am (UTC)
Yep - can but agree: I'd say it's already happened many, many times by now. "There is nothing new in the world except the history you do not know."
-- Harry Truman
Aug. 9th, 2005 08:11 am (UTC)
I couldn't disagree more. "Just because it isn't true, that's no reason not to believe it anyway" is a terrible philosophy. By succumbing to propaganda we become no better than those that this mail seeks to lambast.
Aug. 9th, 2005 08:12 am (UTC)
Sorry that was me, I forgot to log in.
Aug. 9th, 2005 09:39 am (UTC)
Don't agree with that. As Dave points out, you can't just say "well, it's no doubt happened" without proof.

As regards the US implication. Regardless of the religious dogma of some of the more fundamentalist Christian believers in the US, unlike most countries they have constitutionally enshrined freedom of speech and belief - therefore any teacher trying something like this would both open up their school to a massive lawsuit and probably quickly end their own job as well.
Aug. 9th, 2005 09:59 am (UTC)
Now you see this is where I differ from you. There are places in the US that have an incredibly strong Christian-based-belief that such an occurrence could take place and the teacher involved get off with full support from not only the Board of Governers but also the PTA.

We've seen a number of cases in the last few years where the attempt to bring Chruch and State closer together has occurred (successfully and unsuccessfully in different cases). I recall complaints being made about having the ten commandments in school classrooms and in the courts cropping up fairly frequently last year which caused quite a bit of debate.

I doubt this specific insatnce did occur but I would not be surprised if the 'general premise' of it does occur. But without recorded facts it's just propaganda and anti-ism playing on peoples feelings. Helps nothing to try and solve the root differences or bring people together, just widens the dislike and the gulf of distrust and distaste between the two sides of the arguement.
Aug. 9th, 2005 10:05 am (UTC)
Oh, absolutely. The elected school boards certainly provide for strong Christian (or other) beliefs strongly impinging on school policy. And school curriculums can be guided in a religious direction.

That being said, if pursued legally the actual expulsion of the student from class wouldn't be defensible.

Incidentally, what the student should have said in that example was not "I'm gay" but "regardless of your opinion, you should be grading me on whether the essay was well written." :)
Aug. 9th, 2005 01:29 pm (UTC)
Some American-based comments:

1) This is clearly not a public school (using the American sense of the free school the local government pays for). Public schools do not have religion classes. When I was in elementary school in the 70s (age 6-12) in Memphis Tennessee and New Orleans Louisiana they had us recite the Lord's Prayer every morning along with the pledge. Now it's a moment of silent contemplation where you can recite it (or something else) to yourself. Generally speaking public schools are very twitchy about religion issues because of lawsuits.

2) Private schools (in America the kind you pay for) can be religious. When I was growing up in Louisiana the predominant form of private school was Catholic, taught by nuns in habits and the whole nine yards. Assuming the story above takes place in a Catholic school (and they DO have religion classes) they'd be completely justified in taking the approach listed above. And if they were in the south, they probably would.

So, to summarize: it's not church and state. From the way its described it's clearly a private (non-state) school. This (if real) is a case of church and church.
Aug. 9th, 2005 10:09 am (UTC)
I've just made up a story where some Pagans sacrificed some babies, and even though I made it up it's bound to have happened somewhere so that's why I don't like Pagans.

And that's a true story. Post it on your LJ or a kitten will die.
Aug. 9th, 2005 02:39 pm (UTC)
Not at a Catholic school they would't. A religious privately owned organization can say whatever it likes to in its classes unless it breaks a law (such as sexual harrassment etc.) because parents who don't like what the school teaches can pull their kids out. If it were a public school, then yes, they'd be in big trouble.
Aug. 9th, 2005 06:46 am (UTC)
Yup: All the fake alarm bells are ringing somewhere.
Looks like urban spam to me
Aug. 9th, 2005 08:34 am (UTC)
IMO it looks like a lot of people who are happy to demonstrate how evil Christians are grabbed this enthustiastically without giving any thought to the provenance or truth of the statement - and in so doing demonstrated they're as prejudiced as the people the post sets out to lambast.
I can't help but wonder if this is an elaborate hoax set up to throw into sharp relief the hypocrisy and prejudices of the non-hypocritical and non-prejudiced anti-Christian crowd.
Aug. 9th, 2005 08:39 am (UTC)
We all know that there is hypocrisy and prejudice in the religious and non-religious alike...

What is so annoying about this one?
Aug. 9th, 2005 08:41 am (UTC)
The same thing that annoys me every time people who claim to be open, non-prejudiced, and tolerant of others jump on the tiniest sliver of evidence that people who disagree with them and EV1l and Wrongerzzz.
This is simply the most recent example.
Aug. 9th, 2005 08:45 am (UTC)
Yes and I don't particularly like the assumption that anyone who claims religious belief is either hypocritical or stupid... but then I would say that, wouldn't I?
Aug. 9th, 2005 08:48 am (UTC)
You've lost me, I'm afraid.
Aug. 9th, 2005 08:57 am (UTC)
I am 'religious' but pro gay etc...
Aug. 9th, 2005 10:06 am (UTC)
surely 'evil' but pro gay?

Aug. 9th, 2005 08:44 am (UTC)
Anything which opens with "true story" is probably not true.
Aug. 9th, 2005 09:25 am (UTC)
> I am not asking anyone to repost this. In fact I'm actually asking you to
> only do so if you can find the source of the story. I think it's fake and
> no one who has listed it so far can tell me its origins apart from 'I got
> it from a friends LJ'.

Thanks Angus, saves me from having to post exactly the same thing as I was just about to.

I believe this kind of thing does indeed happen all the time but unreferenced stuff like this just spreads a propaganda of its own - even if it happens to be one I mostly believe in.
Aug. 9th, 2005 02:31 pm (UTC)
I wonder if the people who believe this sort of mailing also believe in the "I am the son of "insert appropriate country" ex finance minister and if, you give me access to your bank account….."

Hold on.... How about "I am the bastard son of the last Pope and have discovered a vast fortune in drug money hidden by him in the Vatican bank but because EVIL Opus Dei spies have identified me as a Pagan I cannot get at this cash but if you give me access to your bank account"......

Hummmmmh ...This could be a useful source of carrots ... Sorry I mean carats {grin}
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