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BNP - The party of the future???

When even some of your friends consider the BNP as a reasonable option you know something has gone terribly wrong with mainstream British politics.

We need Labour to be a distinctive Labour party, The Conservatives to be a distinctive Conservative partt and for the LibDems to be a distinctive 'middile of the road' party.

Everyone merging into the right-of-centre has done nothing to help the country but take away people's choices and any real chance of a viable opposition if the main opposition group (in this case the Conservatives) agrees more often than not with the party in power.

People will start turning to the more extreme parties in the effort to make 'some/any' change, or just be put off voting altogether because of the 'sameness' of British politics at present.

Not sure what should be done as none of the majors are going to start shifting their views because of their fear of loosing votes to the other parties involved in the scramble.

Maybe Britain needs a scare from the 'extremists' to get people involved with politics again and make the big three take note and start behaving differently.

We'll see, but the fact that some of you lot are considering the BNP as an option does worry me. Didn't you go and watch 'V For Vendetta'???

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sea_cucumber
May. 1st, 2006 11:59 am (UTC)
I know. The fact that I for a second thought it might be a good idea makes me feel ill and more than a little dirty. It is worrying me! But then, what options are there????? :( :(
Britain's mainstream politics needs a kick up the bum. Maybe a increased BNP vote will give them that...?
angusabranson
May. 1st, 2006 12:26 pm (UTC)
Maybe it will, but there's always the worry that the major parties will move more to the right in order to try and capture some of that vote for themselves next time round. I would really like the Conservatives to play in the right field and for Labour to play in the left field. At least that way people get a choice instead of having a mixture of both in some right-of-centre useless mush.

I do blame Labour and the tabloid press on the whole for the rise of the BNP in this country, with the Tories next in line. You can not expect NOT to have a backlash against immigrants and non-Christian cultures when you have pretty much demonised them to get your own policies through and used them as 'scare' tactics.

There is a lot wrong with this country but immigration is a very minor part of that and handled correctly wouldn't be a problem at all. You just have to get the balance right and also not be afraid of the 'woolly' liberals when something needs action against it. For instance as Liberal as I am I would have no problem at all deporting people who break, or flout, our countries laws back to their country of birth - even if it meant tey could end up in trouble in their own country. In my opinion if the UK is kind enough to let someone live here and give them benefits, etc, then they should respect that by obeying the countrys laws. If they decide to break these, or preach hatred against the people of this country, then send them back home. It's their own fault and we certianly gave them a chance.
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meganintheuk
May. 1st, 2006 12:04 pm (UTC)
Are they considering BNP as a viable political solution or as a protest vote?

I am a bit saddened as I do not get to vote anywhere at the moment. I am legally still supposed to vote in Oz but I have a bit of an issue with influencing the politics of a country that I am not living in - I don't think that is right. The flip side is I do not think I am entitled to vote here until I get my indefinite leave to remain. *mental note -sort that out soon* Otherwise I would vote.

In my view - if you don't go out and vote and use your priviledge to make a difference then you void your right to complain when it does not go as you would like it.

:-)
angusabranson
May. 1st, 2006 12:19 pm (UTC)
You should be entitled to vote in local council elections as you are a resident of your local area. I don't think you will be able to vote in the General Election though and am not sure about elections for the European Parliament unless you hold a passport for one of the EU Nations.
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mrmmarc
May. 1st, 2006 12:47 pm (UTC)
People are seriously considering them?
A party with proven links to paramilitaries who support themselves with drug dealing?
Who believe in violence to solve problems?
A party whose economic ideas have been shown would cost Britain £8 BILLION in the short-term, let alone long-term...
Neo-Nazi's and facists; Nationalists of the worst type.

... and then some people claim that 'The mainstream parties are so samey-samey that it justifies supporting the BNP'.

The BNP is not a protest vote.
The BNP is a vote for racism. You vote for them because you are a racist.
You are someone who makes sweeping generalities about someone because of the melinin they have in their skin.
You believe that Britain should be White only.
You believe that we are seperate races- and caucasian culture is under attack rom 'sub-humans'.
You believe that teenage Muslims rape White girls.

If you vote for them, you believe these lies.

Go ahead.
This is a democracy.
You are not breaking any law.
Yet.

One day there will be a law, like Germany, which makes it illegal to join any neo-nazi oprganisation.
And on that day, when they raid the BNP headquaters- amidst their kiddie porn (BNP links to crime cartels who ship this stuff anyone?), and letters from the probation service (number of BNP activists with violent criminal backgrounds anyone?)... Hopefully... I just hope...


...they will kick their bastard heads in and ship them off to another country.

because theyhave no right to be here that's for goddamn sure.

Sorry, just feeling vicious today!
cavalorn
May. 1st, 2006 01:00 pm (UTC)
This kind of post is exactly why people can now stomach supporting the BNP, when previously they wouldn't. It is such an extreme, over the top condemnation that it is in (as it were) too high a gear to actually engage. Never mind whether any of it actually true, the important thing is that people won't listen, because as far as they are concerned, the BNP has stood up and said something about issues that they feel strongly about, the number one issue being immigration.

I don't support the BNP at all, far from it. But it is exactly this kind of response to the BNP that people are beginning to ignore. According to this article, the majority of people in this country support BNP policies until they are told that they ARE BNP policies, at which point they disavow them. That means that it's only the stigma which is preventing more people from voting them in.

With respect, if the BNP are going to be effectively countered, then demonising them isn't going to do it. Kiddie porn allegations just look far too much like a convenient way of saying 'don't listen to them, for they are evil'. Two things need to be done. The government in power has to recognise the massive insecurity of the population when it comes to immigration, and the BNP policies have to be addressed as policies and dismantled in that context, not by being written off wholesale.
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Feeling vicious? - vilenspotens - May. 1st, 2006 03:00 pm (UTC) - Expand
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Correction - mrmmarc - May. 1st, 2006 11:53 pm (UTC) - Expand
Correction- pt2. - mrmmarc - May. 1st, 2006 11:56 pm (UTC) - Expand
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hirudo
May. 1st, 2006 01:04 pm (UTC)
Sorry,but no matter how bad it got in the UK (and it's pretty bad at the moment) I could never ever consider voting for the BNP.Replacing something rotten with something even worse is not progress of any kind.Far better to spoil your ballot (another thing I couldn't concieve of doing)than to give those bastards an extra vote.
inskauldrak
May. 1st, 2006 07:34 pm (UTC)
Well said!
jonnynexus
May. 1st, 2006 01:07 pm (UTC)
It doesn't help that the BNP tell lots of lies.

I was reading something yesterday about one of their local leaflets from Dagenham, in which their lead article was a piece about a scheme in which immigrants are given cheap loans to buy houses, a scheme which - surprise, surprise - turns out to be entirely non-existant.

But I guess they're following Goebbels advice that if you're going to tell a lie, make it a big one.
vilenspotens
May. 1st, 2006 03:02 pm (UTC)
Didn't you go and watch 'V For Vendetta'???
I did, it was great.

But then sometimes a cure has to kill the cancer and it is painful and it costs, but it needs to be done.

Maybe thirty years under a totalitarian state of bullies and thugs may be what we need. I'd sugest starting the revolution at the same time...
wyrdo
May. 1st, 2006 03:40 pm (UTC)
Or British education?

I'm not sure it's a healthy long term solution to pigeon hole parties into stereotypes. I don't think we'll see Labour swing back to the Left because I think most mainstream politics now except that a Strong Economy is an important bedrock from which other options spring from (and its the 'others' where we have the debate; Education before Military? Transport before Conversation? etc).

Patriotism is weird in the UK. Look at our reaction to Europe. Look at our reaction to the Euro. So many people just want the Queen's head on the coin and notes. That's not healthy, I don't think. I think people just want to ringfence what they're familiar and lock out what they perceive to be a challenge or a threat. While there's a Them and Us attitude it'll always be easy to perceive 'them' as a threat.

I don't think most people get their idea of Them and US from mainstream politics. I think most people get their world view from the media. It's enterprises like The Daily Mail and Murdock's other right-wing propaganda machines (Fox TV) which really should shoulder most of the blame, I think.
oldson
May. 1st, 2006 05:24 pm (UTC)
Most of the people I know who consider voting BNP live in ghettos and towns under siege, used to live in Ilford, used to travel to Dagenham on a weekly basis, I don't know how it is now, but I know that most of the friends I had that lived there have moved out due to the ghettoisation of the area, certainly its the reason I went. The grim part of it is that I can see why most people consider such a vote, the only thing that prevents many people voting BNP is because of all the other things that could/would/might occur if they ever got in.

As for Scum at the top, consider the other major parties, alcoholics, adultery, embezzlement, links to organised crime (Blairs and Berlusconi for example), what worries people most is not that the BNP would do these things, but that they wouldn't bother covering it up like the other parties do.....

At the end of the day, the problem lies with the fact that the government as it stands has been lax in its duties, and that's allowed for many people who would never have been considered twenty years ago to take the podium and speak with an audience rather than derision.

We will see what comes of it, hopefully those at the top will pay attention, I just fear their attention will lapse when they get in again....
inskauldrak
May. 1st, 2006 07:31 pm (UTC)
Your analysis isn't quite accurate - 20-30 years ago the Far Right was an issue and was still causing fear in lots of parts of the country.

As for the attention of politicians- I know for a fact that the leader of my council will never ever take his eye off the ball - both in opposing nazis and in working himself into the ground for the people in his borough... but then he is a good friend of mine so I'm biased ; )
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lulucthulhu
May. 1st, 2006 08:53 pm (UTC)
Fear and loathing in Birmingham
I believe that the BNP have put forward a candidate for every ward in birmingham this election. Sadly it is likely that they will succeed in a few wards.

They were out campaigning in Chinatown (of all places)a couple of saturdays ago, when my sister saw them. A lovely white transit van, with the BNP logo on the front and NF stickers all along the sides. No, not changed at all.

I personally don't care that Birmingham is likely to be the first city in Britain where the BME community is in the majority. I welcome the influx.

I grew up in Handsworth in the 80's and saw them coming around then trying to convince male students at college that 'mixed marriage never works'. They are also the people who were putting forward the opinion that women should be back in the kitchen so that 'good white men' can have jobs back. Incidentally, the very jobs that women are having to be doing to support their families. They are fantasists of the highest order - a political dead end.

For any community to shut itself away in a ghetto only breeds distrust and suspicion, no matter what criteria you use: religion, race, hair colour, football team, economic status. And a monoculture is always evolutionarily vulnerable.

I'll be voting. I'd rather have bad labour than 'good' BNP.
goldmoonrj
May. 1st, 2006 11:00 pm (UTC)
I'm not a British citizen, and although I would not immediately fall into the BNP's 'bad foreigner' radar - being white and holding a German passport - I have many friends who are. I'm not worried, though. Personally, I find the party's stance (as promoted in their website) laughable and wouldn't be able to take it seriously.

To exemplify, a quote: "We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning."

That is, they plan to stop financial aid to Africa and other countries and use the money they would save to send immigrants back to their homelands. After all, those countries are just incompetent or corrupt, and were never explored to the core by European powers. Makes a lot of sense to me. :P
lapinenoireuk
May. 2nd, 2006 12:20 pm (UTC)
Looping back ......or .....
To return to the original thread (cos I think my politics are pretty well known ... but I'll give ya a hint ...... "Red in tooth and claw")

I agree (in the main) with Angus - the main 3 parties are squatting in the soggy centre (and effectively telling their individual party's core support that "we don't really give a f*ck about you lot - but if you don't vote for us then THEY (insert most "evil" opposition party here) will get in and you'll be really, really sorry then").

But the prob is not the fash! (well not in most areas) but the growing disinterest in (real) politics (not the soft liberal consensus sort) by the mass of the electorate. That's a much bigger threat to society than a few BNP councillors.

Now (cards on table) I don't really care what Tories / Liberals do but Labour, the Party that I supported since my teens (through the rough times of Maggot Thatcher and all (until the nauseating bliar started to drag the party to the right of the Tories), now appears to have lost what little sanity it ever had.

Witness the ridiculous efforts of the "Nu Lab" lickspittles to drag the "ungrateful proles" back in line. We have strong moves to fund political parties with state money as they can't convince us to fund their junketting (never mind the fact that we can't educate our kids, look after our sick or house our homeless) and now the leading "ginger group / think tank" to the party - the IPPR (Institute for Public Policy Research) are seriously suggesting that you be legally compelled to vote (with fines for not doing so).

I mean ..... have they completely lost the flaming plot ??????

People support parties if they feel involved, valued and listened to. And no amount of "market research" studies, daft PR stunts or "legal obligation" will ever replace that.

Okay ...rant over (sort of) so the Rabbit hops off (to to kick one of the HR weasels around the workhutch!) wondering "Perhaps I should (in fact) be renamed Lapinerouge ???"
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