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So, if the Scottish Nationalist Party wins up north today a poll will be called to vote on Scottish Independence and breaking away from the current Union they have with England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

They may win today too. Although even if they do various polls have shown that the majority of Scots do not favour breaking away from the rest of the Union to form their own country.

But what if they did win the vote for an Independent Scotland?

Would that mean we'd have to reactivate Hadrian's Wall and use it as one big Passport and Customs Control? Afterall, all Scots would be illegal immigrants in England and would need VISA's to stay living and working here because they would no longer be part of the United Kingdom nor would they be part of the European Union which allows free movement of EU citizens.

So, we'd have to deport all the Scots and they'd have to go through all the red tape to come back in. Or wait until Scotland successfully applied for EU membership which could, because of the process, take years!

Hadrian's Wall could be the Scots/English version of the Mexican Border proposals!

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heliograph
May. 3rd, 2007 05:20 pm (UTC)
Why wouldn't they be part of the EU? I think it is far more likely they'd be granted instant admission... I'd just be curious if they would hang on to their own currency (like they do now) or take a page from Ireland's book and move to the Euro.

It would even fix that Union Jack problem, right?
angusabranson
May. 3rd, 2007 05:37 pm (UTC)
I don't see why they should be fast-tracked when other countries that have been waiting for membership a lot longer go waiting.

Plus Scotland would have to apply for membership first, and I believe there is a minimum waiting period. Whether or not this is waved would have to go to a vote (plus Scotland would probably have to hold a referendum amongst its citizens to see if they wanted to join the EU and another to adopt the Euro as a currency if they wanted to move away from the Pound).

Scotland already has two or three banks which issue currency so I don't know how that would affect things (if at all).

The Union jack would certainly be altered. I should have a look round the Net to see if I can find one without the Scottish Blue and White!
heliograph
May. 3rd, 2007 05:53 pm (UTC)
"Plus Scotland would have to apply for membership first, and I believe there is a minimum waiting period."

Actually, no. They're already members. If you check the EU rules there's a clause for current members succeeding from their "host" country and staying a member of the EU. I'll see if I can dig up the link on that, but I read about this earlier when it was a Basque issue.
angusabranson
May. 3rd, 2007 06:01 pm (UTC)
No worries if you don't.

It's all a bit of fun and speculation atm, I really doubt that the vite would go in favour of making Scotland its own stand-alone country.

The UK is certainly better as a whole than seperated into it's various seperate parts - regardless what some Scots and English might say :p
heliograph
May. 3rd, 2007 06:06 pm (UTC)
I poked around a little: my recollection comes from the fake story about the Flemish succeeding and some of the speculation and reaction to that.
angusabranson
May. 3rd, 2007 05:41 pm (UTC)
Actually, if we had to ammend the Union Jack as our National Flag that would have major knock-on effects to other countries such as New Zealand, Australia, Fiji, Tuvalu and the State of Hawaii whose flags all featured the current Union Jack.
cazmonster
May. 3rd, 2007 05:34 pm (UTC)
Because I have no real comment to make...
FFFFRRRREEEEEEEDOOOOOMMMMMM!!!!
felineparadox
May. 3rd, 2007 05:43 pm (UTC)
What was brilliant -though it may be out of context- was apparently Alex Salmond (leader of SNP) said that "If it dosen't work we can always go back"
What?! how do you decide just to 'come back', unsurprisingly ole' Tony said that if Scotland was to come back it would need to be decided by England, Wales & N. Ireland.

Personally if I thought Scottish people have the pride, faith and drive to make a great country i'd be happy to support independence but like the rest of Britain there is something missing terms of will to do well. I'll leave that rant for the pub ;)
djonma
May. 3rd, 2007 05:53 pm (UTC)
Does it mean we could get rid of all the Scottish members of the ENGLISH parliament?
If so, I'm happy with it!
Bye bye Brown!
angusabranson
May. 3rd, 2007 06:03 pm (UTC)
I certainly don't think that Scottish MPs should be allowed to vote on issues which don't affect their constituants. The same way as English MPs aren't allowed to vote on issues within the Scottish Parliament.

For nationwide issues then yeah, sure. For localised issues NO.
inskauldrak
May. 3rd, 2007 07:26 pm (UTC)
It is not an English Parliament it is the UK parliament and therefore MPs representing constituencies in Scotland (Note: not 'Scottish MPs') should sit there.

The point about 'MPs representing constituencies in Scotland' voting on issues that only affect England is valid. But many votes either affect everyone or in the case of some taxation the SP only has the power to vary from the UK rate within set boundaries.

Sorry if I've gone on a bit but as a Britsh Citizen who is a Scot I do get a bit tired of this sort of thing. I'd imagine the Welsh and Northern Irish might feel similarly with your conflating England with the UK.
djonma
May. 3rd, 2007 07:42 pm (UTC)
I was mostly joking to try and get rid of Brown, and I was groggy and couldn't be boterhed explaining the following:

I do feel very strongly that if there's a devolved parliament, MPs of those parliaments shouldn't be allowed to vote on English concerns.
What that ultimately means is that we should technically devolve England as well (or England and Wales as a single unit assuming Scotland does devolve), so that we have parliaments for N.I, Scotland and England+Wales.
twisted_times
May. 3rd, 2007 10:18 pm (UTC)

If there are devolved local Parliaments, then yes, MPs of those Parliaments should not be allowed to vote on exclusively English concerns.

inskauldrak
May. 4th, 2007 12:35 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I shouldn't have over-reacted.

I agree with you that there should be a proper devolved settlement for all parts of the Union.
sack_boy
May. 3rd, 2007 07:07 pm (UTC)
More likely - reactivate it to keep you english out ;o)
valleyman
May. 3rd, 2007 07:23 pm (UTC)
It won't work that way, if they do get in. its under the first 100 days proposal that they put a referendum out there. simple yes/no. once that's back and if its a yes, they begin the countdown. it wont be overnight, it'll take years to hammer out the constitutional and legal ramification. essentially redrafting the union act.

Scotland will still be part of the commonwealth, and therefore have the queen as its sovereign.

military needs to be transferred direct to Scotland control so thats UN/Nato..

blah blah blah..

by the time thats all done Scotland's entry into the EU will be complete.

Take Poland for example. had been on hold for years then the NATO offensive in Yugoslavia. basically said no ships can sail thru its waters. so NATO said wanna join EU? they said sure...ok you're in. it can be done quickly.

Who knows. we'll know by 5pm t'row.

silver_blue
May. 4th, 2007 10:31 am (UTC)
Also worth noting that any referendum the Scottish Parliament put into action would be completely non-binding. Only Westminster can put into place a referendum on Scottish independence that would have binding effect.
inskauldrak
May. 3rd, 2007 07:29 pm (UTC)
Please don't be so amused Mr A, some of us are actually quite upset about the volume of jingoistic vitriol that the SNP's rise and reaction to it down south is generating.

I'd kinda like not to be a foreigner!
djonma
May. 3rd, 2007 07:43 pm (UTC)
Ahh we still like you though :-)
*hugs*
taryn_vee
May. 4th, 2007 09:21 am (UTC)
what will happen to the schoolyard jumping rhyme "england ireland scotland wales.. inside outside inside on!"???

/grins...

i agree with the comment that the uk is stronger ... i think scotland may realise that in the back of their heads too...

either way my family is from scotland - albeit that most of my direct ancestors were born in various african colonies (mostly kenya due to divorce laws of the days gone by with regards to insane spouses)

i wonder if they relax their immigration laws to bolster numbers - that would benefit my brother greatly...
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